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Capped and Traded

Ezra Klein points out that the Republicans are continuing their run as the Party of No. Even policies they used to support, they now unanimously oppose apparently for the simple reason that Obama supports them:

A few years ago, cap-and-trade was, if not a consensus position in the Republican Party, then at least one with substantial support. John McCain had his own plan — a plan he continued to promote through the 2008 election — and he wasn’t, by any means, fighting a lonely battle. In fact, one of his co-sponsors was then-Sen. Barack Obama. In the states, a number of Republican governors were also pursuing cap-and-trade plans, including Tim Pawlenty, who’s now running for president and has denounced his efforts to fight climate change as a terrible mistake.

The same thing happened to the individual mandate in health insurance, which was originally a Republican idea but which they now call an unconstitutional monstrosity.

When Obama went on TV to encourage students to study hard and get good grades, Republicans opposed that. I’m waiting for Obama to say he likes apple pie, just to see what happens.



  1. Sammy wrote:

    If Barack Obama personally found the cure for all cancer, here’s what the headline at FoxNation would be: “Obama Finally Cures the Cancer that He Created”

    Thursday, April 21, 2011 at 10:48 am | Permalink
  2. Will wrote:

    Sammy, I think the FOX headline would read more like this: “Obama and Democrats forcing cancer patients to take untested drug”

    Thursday, April 21, 2011 at 12:07 pm | Permalink
  3. ThatGuy wrote:

    IK, Obama’s socialist pro-apple pie agenda has been well known for years. It’s part of his continuing assault on the consumer’s right to choose between different kinds of pie, as well as a flip-flop from his wife’s attempt to get everyone in shape.

    That’s my guess as to what would be said anyway.

    Thursday, April 21, 2011 at 12:17 pm | Permalink
  4. Okay, internet culture time. 🙂
    When come back bring pie.

    Thursday, April 21, 2011 at 2:10 pm | Permalink
  5. Iron Knee wrote:

    mmmm, pie

    Thursday, April 21, 2011 at 6:00 pm | Permalink
  6. PatriotSGT wrote:

    OK Sammy and Will I go to jump in because I think you are both off the mark.
    The Fox headline would read – “Obama forces cancer patients to get well.”
    And the sub heading would say – “He has taken away another freedom and unconstitutionally deprived them of their right to die.”

    Sorry, I couldn’t resist, I now return you to the usual me…
    Wait, did Thought Dancer and IK mention … Pie? Ummm cherry’s my favorite, followed by lemon merangue, then blueberry.

    Oh sorry, yeah like Obama never flip flops on an opinion

    “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”
    Senator Barack Obama in 2006

    Thursday, April 21, 2011 at 7:00 pm | Permalink
  7. TENTHIRTYTWO wrote:

    Obama talking about increasing debt in a time of ridiculous economic prosperity vs. Obama talking about increasing debt in a time of economic devastation.

    Certainly an apples to apples comparison.

    Debt is not a bad thing. I am in debt right now because I own a house with a mortgage. Does that make me a terrible person? Am I irresponsible for it? Should I have saved up hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash before I purchased my house?

    There is responsible debt and irresponsible debt. Bush and others ran up for the most part irresponsible debt. Obama and his crew for the most part have run up responsible debt. The problem is that the irresponsible debt is still there, fucking things up for everyone. And suddenly the R’s are interested in the debt…imagine that.

    Friday, April 22, 2011 at 5:58 am | Permalink
  8. PatriotSGT wrote:

    1032 – you’ll find any way to defend any thing. Do you worship at the Obama alter or what. You and Chris Matthews should get together sit starry eyed and swap stories.

    Here is Obama in 2011:

    Obama “thinks it was a mistake,” presidential spokesman Jay Carney told reporters. “He realizes now that raising the debt ceiling is so important to the health of this economy and the global economy that it is not a vote that, even when you are protesting an administration’s policies, you can play around with.”

    When will you realize the he had no experience, and has been doing his OJT since he was elected. It was pure politics then and now. Coincidently, he also never bothered to vote in 2007 or 2008 when the debt was raised by 800 and 850 billion. Wow thats only half of our current years deficit.

    Obama is lucky there are no Dem challengers and only a line of jokes for Republicans. And still he’s out campaigning like he’s running against somebody who has a chance. With special interest groups, etc, he’ll likely raise 1 bill for his reelection. Does he really need that mush? Who’s his threat? Does he feel that insecure? Why does’nt he just turn 3/4 of that money back into the Fed to help pay doen some debt?

    Anywho, whats your favorite pie? 🙂

    Friday, April 22, 2011 at 8:07 am | Permalink
  9. TENTHIRTYTWO wrote:

    Uhh, no. I don’t feel any need to defend Obama’s terrible decisions, and he certainly has made them. I am a registered independent who has been driven to the left because the right has ABSOLUTELY nothing to offer.

    I wasn’t defending his vote against the debt ceiling, as I figured that wasn’t the point of your quote. I attempted to pull the context out because you presented none. I thought the point was him lambasting against increasing debt. His quote is a complaint against America’s mounting debt and the failure to address it, not in particular against the debt ceiling which is only an indicator that debt is increasing.

    I also assumed that you could read my post and figure out that I wasn’t talking about voting for or against the debt ceiling, since I didn’t mention it once in my post. Everything in my post was related to the actual debt we shoulder. Nothing in my post is starry eyed. Everything I said is factual and indisputable, which is probably why you were unable to dispute anything I said.

    But hey, actually reading the context of my post isn’t what you are being paid to do by contributing republican talking points as a “democrat”, right? Gotta earn those Koch bucks!

    I figured since you were taking ignorant cheap shots, I’d try one out myself. Feel free to edit as you see fit, IK.

    Friday, April 22, 2011 at 2:36 pm | Permalink
  10. Sammy wrote:

    1032 said: ” I am a registered independent who has been driven to the left because the right has ABSOLUTELY nothing to offer.”

    Dude, if you’d added something about the right moving farther to the right and absconding the “center”, then you’d be my political brain twin.

    Friday, April 22, 2011 at 5:25 pm | Permalink
  11. Iron Knee wrote:

    I think PatriotSgt fell off the wagon and has been watching Fox News again. “Do you worship at the Obama alter” — seriously? — I don’t think I could imagine a cheaper shot.

    But my favorite pie is rhubarb.

    Friday, April 22, 2011 at 6:30 pm | Permalink
  12. Sammy wrote:

    Patriot said “Obama altar” not “Messiah”, so cut him some slack. I only eat pie twice a year, but huckleberry (hand picked in the woods) is my fave.

    Saturday, April 23, 2011 at 12:09 am | Permalink
  13. PatriotSGT wrote:

    IK and Sammy – what are you gus doing eating southern pies and living where you do? My grandfather migrated from the south at the turn of the last century and my father loved rhubarb and huckleberry.

    Saturday, April 23, 2011 at 8:32 am | Permalink
  14. Iron Knee wrote:

    I was born in Virginia and have lived in two other southern states, but I first fell in love with rhubarb when I lived in Ohio. It was growing in our yard. I didn’t think huckleberry was a southern thing — we go pick them in the wild here. Some friends of mine in California have an annual Huckleberry Hike at Point Reyes with over a hundred people and afterward make homemade ice cream with it — hand cranked. Yum!

    Saturday, April 23, 2011 at 8:42 am | Permalink
  15. Huckleberry? Never had, though that sounds good.

    I’m an apple pie, pumpkin pie, mincemeat pie woman, myself. The husband adores key lime. 😉

    Saturday, April 23, 2011 at 8:43 am | Permalink
  16. Iron Knee wrote:

    Huckleberries are actually the wild variant of blueberries. They are usually smaller and more tart. There are very few kinds of pie that I don’t love. Apple, pumpkin, key lime — all yummy!

    Saturday, April 23, 2011 at 9:30 am | Permalink
  17. Sammy wrote:

    @Sgt: What?? Huckleberries grow wild up here in the NE corner of WA and the Idaho panhandle! I grew up in a forest full of stashes. 🙂

    Saturday, April 23, 2011 at 8:05 pm | Permalink
  18. PatriotSGT wrote:

    You guys are lucky. I had the priviledge to spend about 2 months at Ft Lewis before a deloyment a few years back and it was breathtaking. The ancient forests and trees were magnificent. I even put on an extra training event in land navigation so the troops could tour the forests up close and personal. Truely awesome, I’m jealous.

    Monday, April 25, 2011 at 6:14 am | Permalink